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Saturday, 12 March 2011

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Reposted to maintain position as the first posting on 12/03/2011

 Hamish McLeod GROSSART
52 born 07-Apr-1957
SPECulative Society of Edinburgh Member
IndigoVision
Non-Executive Chairman joined the board as chairman in 1996.
Cairn Energy PLC
currently also non-executive deputy chairman
Cairn India Limited
a non-executive director Member and Chairman of the Audit, Remuneration, Nomination & Corporate Governance Committees
British Polythene Industries PLC
Deputy Chairman
Artemis Investment Management Limited
a non-executive director

PAST ACHIEVEMENTS!!
Quality Care Homes
Scottish Radio Holdings

Martin Currie Income and Growth Trust
Digital Bridges
Barker & Dobson - (Drayton Consolidated Trust) - Alma Holdings
Royal Doulton
Eclipse Blinds
Scottish Highland Hotels
Hicking Pentecost
EFT Group
Sigma Technology Venture Fund (STVF)
Sigma Technology Management (“Sigma”)
McLaren Software
He has over 20 years' experience on public company boards, in a wide range of industries,
both in an executive and non-executive capacity, frequently with catastrophic consequences.

He has left:
a long trail of broken lives, betrayed staff, colleagues and women,
who have suffered from his emotional inadequacies and lack of maturity.

A weak and bullying individual,
who brings shame and unhappiness to his children,
and those who misguidedly cared for him, as he sets out to prove his worth to himself. 

Always acting egocentrically at the expense of those he can bully, exploit and control.
An emotional Narcissist & a manipulative sociopath.
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Hamish McLeod GROSSART 52 born 07-Apr-1957
SPECulative Society of Edinburgh Member

Online CCTV firm’s 25% boost in sales
MARK SMITH

Share 11 Mar 2011

IndigoVision, the Scottish maker of internet-based CCTV surveillance systems, posted a 25% surge in half-year sales helped by big infrastructure spending in Latin America, and said it had developed the world’s most open security system.

The Edinburgh-based firm, which has helped provide security surveillance cover for three G8 summits and four Olympic Games, also unveiled its first interim dividend of 4p per share since listing on AIM in 2000.

Contrary to Indigo’s upbeat news yesterday, its share price tumbled nearly 11% – or 60p –to 495p on thin trading volumes.

Nonetheless, the maiden dividend comes as the company posted a 16% rise in pre-tax to £1.4 million for the six months to the end of January, compared with £1.2m for the same period the previous year.

Turnover rocketed to £15m, compared with £12m last time.

Chairman Hamish Grossart said the global market for internet protocol video continued to grow, superseding traditional analogue systems.

“The world continues to experience both economic and political tremors, but there is plenty to be positive about in the majority of our markets,” he said.

“We continue to be confident about the immediate and long term future.”

Meanwhile, Indigo said its products now supported an open architecture – called Open Network Video Interface Forum, which was partly developed by Indigo itself – that allows its customers to add third party cameras to its systems.

Marcus Kneen, Indigo’s chief financial officer, yesterday said it was “too early to quantify” how much the development would add to future revenues, but said he expected “it would be substantial”.
However, he added: “The main thing is that we are there and we are there early.

“We are now very much part of the new global standard.

“It really does give our customers the best of both worlds – they get the easy installation and low service calls they’ve come to expect from our end-to-end solution, coupled with the freedom of choice that comes from a truly open system.”

Indigo’s systems are used in some 50 airports, bus and rail stations, ports and casinos, as well as in the education, health, retail and government sectors in more than 80 countries around the world.

It has been benefiting from the global shift from analogue to digital surveillance systems.

Asked what were the drivers behind the company’s growth during the past six months, Mr Kneen said: “There has been growth across all the regions we operate in, but particularly in Brazil, where there has been a lot of investment in infrastructure.

“We’ve had orders for railway stations, airports and for government security systems.

“But I think one of the real strengths of our strategy is that we have a very good spread of geographies and broad range of market sectors.”

Sales to Europe, Middle East and Africa climbed 13%, sales to Asia Pacific rose 38% and sales to the Americas were rose 33%.

Within the Americas, North America rose 23% and sales to Latin America surged 66%.

Mr Kneen added that Indigo, which employs around 150 staff with 82 of them based in Edinburgh, said the number of workers would rise over 2011 as the company continued to invest heavily in its engineering unit.
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This worm of a man Hamish Grossart clearly lives down to his name and his Gross Art is abuse and bullying. Divorced by his wife for his physical abuse and his endless bullying both emotional and sexual he represented his income as a fraction of the reality

Note the long list of directorships, consultancies, past asset stripping etc. that this odious man represents as the kind of mean and mealie mouthed poverty that results in claims he should bully and abuse people through the Court system using his army of parasites, bought and paid for, the Scottish 'SYSTEM'.

It was his wife who gave him financial help to get started, yet this mental and emotional cripple set out in his degeneracy to bully and abuse her over many years - eventually being forced into a grudging settlement which was a pittance relative to her share of the family assets. Yes indeed a home for her children and some of the cash amounted to about £2Million but that once all the legal costs were removed and the property value extracted left very little RELATIVE to the fortune he had hidden from challenge.

We understand on one deal alone his personal income was £6Million and as he has hidden this from the Courts to 'screw' his daughter and son and his ex wife then one wonders if it was hidden also from the Tax Authorities!

I gather the police file on this man is similar to a dam wall as it is growing in stature and holding back the flood looking for that first crack that can be used for the authorities to make a move. Perhaps the American political maxim has come to play - 'When you decide to open a can of worms, be sure to have a bigger can'!

There must be many a director, lawyer and accountant who is concerned they may rue the day they became associated with this corrupt and venal little man - for sure his past wives do!

It is interesting to note the bottomless pit of unaccountable money he is finding to fund HIS lawyers as he seeks to bankrupt his ex wife and bully her into submission through vexatious litigation methods - legal though they may be petty, vexatious, mysogenistic and vile they clearly are!

Yes, since the case has been heard in open Court I am aware of the details and all the relevant facts - yes we have been informed by the many who loath him of much that is happening in his abuse of his family - it is a matter of record EXACTLY what he has agreed as payments for his children and though we do not publish it here at the moment may I assure you it is merely loose change to this odious skinflint petty bitch old man determined to control, bully and abuse the women and children in his life.

It does seem that this is the sort of filth upheld by the arcane, mysogenistic and incestuous legal system in Scotland, with Lawyers, Politicians, Civil Servants and senior Police all too often living cheek by jowel and often in the sponsorship of the business community.

Be minded that the top Bankers of RBS which included Sir Angus Grossart of Noble Grossart Bank seem embroilled in the loan at near base rate (fixed?) of £1 Billion to Murray International owners of Rangers Football Club which is I gather, like most major league teams, technically bankrupt supported by loans - I make no claims to understand the leverages and corruption that is nowadays passed off as banking but the linkage with the racist bigot and bully, an abuser himself, Donald Findlay QC who is Scotland's highest earner on the back of legal aid!

A deal which, since RBS is owned by the tax payers must surely be subject to the approval of the Scottish executive - It rather shows th depth of the mire that is what is laughably defined as The Scottish legal system and Justice in Scotland.

Minded of the wealth retained by such as Hamish Grossart in persuit of their Gross and tasteless Art of bullying women and children it does not seem unreasonable that one speculates to what extent the Courts via the lawyers and the establishment are beholden to the pockets of the wealthy robber baronsof Scotlands squalid set up!


IndigoVision Non-Executive Chairman joined the board as chairman in 1996. Cairn Energy PLC currently also non-executive deputy chairman Cairn India Limited a non-executive director Member and Chairman of the Audit, Remuneration, Nomination & Corporate Governance Committees
British Polythene Industries PLC Deputy Chairman Artemis Investment Management Limited a non-executive director PAST ACHIEVEMENTS!! Quality Care Homes Scottish Radio Holdings Digital Bridges Barker & Dobson - (Drayton Consolidated Trust) - Alma Holdings Royal Doulton Eclipse Blinds Scottish Highland Hotels Hicking Pentecost EFT Group
He has over 20 years' experience on public company boards, in a wide range of industries,
both in an executive and non-executive capacity, frequently with catastrophic consequences.
He has left: a long trail of broken lives, betrayed staff, colleagues and women,
who have suffered from his emotional inadequacies and lack of maturity.
A weak and bullying individual, who brings shame and unhappiness to his children,
and those who misguidedly cared for him, as he sets out to prove his worth to himself.
Always acting egocentrically at the expense of those he can bully, exploit and control. An emotional Narcissist & a manipulative sociopath.

Saturday, 23 October 2010

Hamish McLeod GROSSART 52 born 07-Apr-1957
SPECulative Society of Edinburgh Member

Boardroom guru Grossart’s calling as ‘company doctor’

Hamish Grossart
Simon Bain

Share 0 comments 23 Oct 2010

Hamish Grossart is known for speaking his mind – though rarely in public.

He was the young Turk of Scottish finance in the 1980s when he sprang out from the shadow of his uncle Angus, with a cheeky raid on an investment trust to grab its market listing for his own financial boutique.

He sold that to Bank of Scotland for £95m after exponential growth in the 1990s, whilst emerging as a key boardroom presence in six Scottish companies.

All were to see explosions of value, including Cairn Energy where Grossart has just stepped down as deputy chairman after 16 years, start-up Indigovision which he still chairs, and fund group Artemis, where his £40,000 investment as a founding private shareholder earned him a £5m windfall last year.

Called south by his institutional backers to turn round the ailing Royal Doulton as non-executive chairman, Grossart was forced unexpectedly into a hands-on role after an accident to the chief executive, and led a gruelling six-year company operation which eventually achieved an acceptable sale.

Called recently to a more hands-on role domestically (he has four children and three new stepchildren) the investment banker turned boardroom guru, still only 53, is not winding down. “Watch this space,” he says. “I feel I’ve got one more big job in me.”

So how important was the family connection? “I left university, I had done a holiday job in Noble Grossart, they asked me to join them, I wasn’t sure what I wanted to do... but I seemed to be quite good at it, clients seemed to like what I said.”

He says his uncle’s bank is “an incredibly successful lifestyle business... that would not be my thing”, but acknowledges: “I got a great opportunity to train, a fantastic quality of work, and did stuff at a senior level at a very tender age – I was dead lucky.”

A year after being made a director at NG at 25, Grossart started what became EFT Group, and two years after that he joined the board of Radio Clyde led by the now Lord Gordon of Strathblane.

“I remember asking Jimmy Gordon why he had appointed me and he said we get lots of bankers and analysts, but you actually express a view, and you are firm about it,” Grossart recalls.

He adds: “When I was an MD from 1987 to 1992 I don’t think I was particularly good at it – but I think I am quite good at picking MDs, quite good at telling it like it is, and saying ‘this doesn’t make sense’.”

His baby EFT, which he converted from investment bank into asset finance specialist in 1992 and went non-executive, had shot from 40p to 180p when it was sold to Bank of Scotland, netting him around £1.5m.

“We gave up 10p to take shares in the bank,” he recalls. “We were on a PE of 21 and the bank was on nine, so it was a no-brainer. The shares promptly doubled, and looking back it was a stonking deal.”

He was parachuted in to turn round Scottish Highland Hotels in 1991, and though its £30m sale in 2000 was only 5p above the flotation price, the value-building had all been done at the beginning, Grossart says. “We restructured the business on a valuation of £1m.”

Grossart’s ‘company doctor’ status grew and his next rescue was Renfrewshire-based Eclipse Blinds, where the share price travelled from a 6p nadir to an eventual 90p, while at shell company Hicking Pentecost he helped assemble an unwanted threads businesses into a company, then sell it to Coats Viyella at a “substantial multiple”.

At Radio Clyde, Grossart helped broker the merger with Radio Forth in 1991 and rationalise the board.

He resigned, but after 18 months was asked to rejoin, and was still there as deputy chairman when Scottish Radio Holdings was sold in 2006 to Emap for £350m – or around 100 times the 1985 valuation of Clyde.

Meanwhile, Grossart was persuaded to join the tech revolution by agreeing to become chairman of video pioneer Indigovision when it was founded on a credit card by Oliver Vellacott in 1994.

“I broke all my normal rules,” Grossart says. “I don’t do start-ups, don’t do businesses where the chief exec owns more than half, don’t do technology because I don’t understand it.

“The reason I broke them was because of the quality of the guy, I think he is outstanding.”

The flotation in 2003 prompted a stampede for the shares.

“We had phone calls from institutions demanding to be on the chairman’s list of allocations, we did the first roadshow and all 12 institutions signed up which is unheard of, so we cancelled the 30 meetings we had planned.

“Instead of raising £12m we raised £30m, then the share price went to 600p. There was no reason for the share price to go up.”

Similarly, there was no reason for it to be crushed to 12p two years later as predators circled the group’s cash, the chairman says. “I think investors were hoist with their own petard.”

Now once more above its flotation value, the company has “immense potential for further growth”, he says.

So also, he adds, has British Polythene, Grossart’s latest deputy chairmanship, where his short tenure has already coincided with an accelerated restructuring and a cut in the dividend.

At Royal Doulton, Grossart was publicly attacked by the local Labour MP Paul Farrelly for presiding over a share collapse from 250p to 12p and closing all its 11 UK factories with the loss of 4000 jobs, whilst collecting a £127,000 salary for a one-day week. “I thought he was talking through a hole in his hat,” Grossart says.

The chairman received 99% shareholder backing for a 2002 rights issue which enabled Doulton to switch production to Indonesia and see off a £24m bid from major shareholder Waterford Wedgwood, which two years later paid £40m for the company – enabling Grossart to return home.

At Artemis, meanwhile, management has regained at a far lower price the stake it sold to ABN Amro at the top of the market for £317m.

Then there is £6bn Cairn, where founder Sir Bill Gammell brought Grossart on board in 1994 when its market value was some £10m.

Its success, he says, is down to more than geology. “Cairn has got stuff it does with its money, the management of its money, and its people, and you have got to get all the bits of it right.”

Grossart says Sir Bill believes non-executives come cheap. “Whether you hire politicians or bankers or industrialists, the fees you pay to these people are a fraction of what you would pay to an organisation providing the same type of advice such as McKinseys or Goldmans.”

On his private life, the subject of some intrusive publicity in the past two years, Grossart says: “I spend a fortune restoring Georgian buildings, for fun.....what interests me is my wife, who is an oasis of calm in my life, my children, and whether I can perfect the dish I am trying to create in the kitchen.”

To view the original of wee Hamish's self serving article by his friend CLICK HERE

IndigoVision Non-Executive Chairman joined the board as chairman in 1996.
Cairn Energy PLC currently also non-executive deputy chairman
Cairn India Limited a non-executive director Member and Chairman of the Audit, Remuneration, Nomination & Corporate Governance Committees
British Polythene Industries PLC Deputy Chairman
Artemis Investment Management Limited a non-executive director

PAST ACHIEVEMENTS!!
Quality Care Homes Scottish Radio Holdings
Digital Bridges Barker & Dobson - (Drayton Consolidated Trust) - Alma Holdings Royal Doulton Eclipse Blinds Scottish Highland Hotels Hicking Pentecost EFT Group

He has over 20 years' experience on public company boards, in a wide range of industries,
both in an executive and non-executive capacity, frequently with catastrophic consequences.

He has left: a long trail of broken lives, betrayed staff, colleagues and women,
who have suffered from his emotional inadequacies and lack of maturity.

A weak and bullying individual, who brings shame and unhappiness to his children,
and those who misguidedly cared for him, as he sets out to prove his worth to himself.
Always acting egocentrically at the expense of those he can bully, exploit and control.
An emotional Narcissist & a manipulative sociopath.
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Wednesday, 10 March 2010

CHILD ABUSE & SEX ABUSE EMPOWERS EVIL MEN

CHILD ABUSE & SEX ABUSE EMPOWERS EVIL MEN
Hamish McLeod GROSSART
52 born 07-Apr-1957

FOR THE RECORD noticed on one of Elaine Grossart's web sites (in her Name):

Conspiracy of Silence


Nationwide Child Abuse Ring Revealed


In Free Discovery Channel Documentary

"Conspiracy of Silence" is a powerful, disturbing documentary revealing a nationwide child abuse and pedophilia ring that leads to the highest levels of government. Featuring intrepid investigator John DeCamp, a highly decorated Vietnam war veteran and 16-year Nebraska state senator, "Conspiracy of Silence" reveals how rogue elements at all levels of government have been involved in systematic child abuse and pedophilia to feed the base desires of key politicians.

Based on DeCamp's riveting book, The Franklin Cover-up, "Conspiracy of Silence" begins with the shut-down of Nebraska's Franklin Community Federal Credit Union after a raid by federal agencies in November 1988 revealed that $40 million was missing. When the Nebraska legislature launched a probe into the affair, what initially looked like a financial swindle soon exploded into a startling tale of drugs, money laundering, and a nationwide child abuse ring. Nineteen months later, the legislative committee's chief investigator died suddenly and violently, like more than a dozen other people linked to the Franklin case.
 
To read more CLICK HERE
 
To watch the video CLICK HERE
 
It Happens In Scotland!
 
This shows just how empowering wealthy men find practices normal men and women find repugnant - it also shows just howmuch control these evil and frequently wealthy men are.
 
We believe there are reasons to believe the same determination to control and the same arrogant self interest has been manifest in this case by an evil and abusive wealthy man, thwarted in his ownership and control of people.
His Daughters From His First Marriage
Seem to have turned out as nice lasses
Don't they!

Do not forget Elaine Grossart was granted a divorce on the grouns of the physical, mental and sexual abuse she had received at the hands of this brutal, sick self serving apparent Narcissist Hamish Grossart.
 
Do not forget when the relationship between Hamish Grossart he was near penniless, married and carrying on a dishonest relationship outside his marriage. Hamish Grossart was a philandered who was carrying on a relationship with a girl from the office when his second daughter was both conceived and born - he even claimed to one of his mistresses that the child was not his as his wife was mentally ill and having sex with his friends!
Elaine Grossart lent money to Hamish Grossart in the early stages of their relationship and not in inconsequential amounts, with the help of this money Hamish started to build their fortune, without it it can be argued he would have lurched from failure to failure as he had already fallen out with his Uncle Angus having acted in dubious ethics whilst in his employ.
It Looks Like
Duncan Bannatyne
Soon had the measure of this olleagenous spiv.

We note from Press comentary and Court Records that Hamish Grossart fought his wife bullied and abused her using THEIR money she had no access to and the misogynistic perverse and seemingly Masonically controlled corrupt Courts of Scotland to ensure his wife received as little as possible of the assetts she was at very least entitled to half of.
 
Now we watch in disgust as the Lawyers and Courts assist Hamish Grossart in his new relationship with his new mistress a relationship physically flaunted in the face of his 9 year old daughter!
 
Yes I DO have widespread contacts in Scotland and as you will appreciate much of the documentation and information comes from within the Edinburgh Legal profession - seemingly there are honest men and women in Scotland who are willing to leak information in disgust at what is going on around them.

We note that it would seem, in a desparate further attempt to abuse, intimidate and harrass his ex wife Hamish Grossart has set his lawyers to carry out his evil for him.

PLEASE BE ASSURED -
Neither Hamish Grossart nor his lawyers or agents have made ANY effort to act to contact this blog in the interest of their children or any other party.
 
Yet we note from a posting made on the comment section on two blogs hereon that the Mother of the children would seem to have dishonestly been blamed for this blog.
 
That even this is used as a method of intimidation and harrassment speaks volumes of this vile man and his willingness to throw money he extorted from his ex wife with the corrupt and malign assistance of an utterly corrupt legal structure and its incestuous and untrustworthy lawyers, or so it would clearly seem.
 
That this blog is in a foreign Country leaves me in the position of obtaining about 5th. hand verification that it is in fact Elaine Grosshart asking for removal of her children's names from this blog - IF I am able to ascertain it is her wish I will then act accordingly.
 
I would like to remind you that Hamish Grossart has made absolutely no effort to contact this blog yet you will note that Elaine Grossart contacted this blog via the easy to use Comments as soon as she was made aware of the blog by her ex husband's lawyers.
 
Hamish Grossart seems all too willing to use the money he abused the law and the courts to steal from his ex wife to throw at lawyers to abuse, intimidate, threaten and blame his ex wife - was he sufficiently interested in the well being of the children to make any effort to contact this blog, instruct his lawyers or agents to contact this blog and ask for help.
 
NO he was not remotely interested in the children just in using his wealth to intimidate, threaten and abuse his family. What a sad sordid pathetic little dweeb of a man, an excrecence of mankind who has bulied, lied, phillandered and cheated all his life.
 
Here is the posting sent to the comments section - I believe by Elaine Grossart, which I am checking:
I can not confirm but it would seem that Elaine Grossart does not have a Google or similar web identity and has thus had to post as Anonymous - it would also seem her deliberations to write her comment took some 12 minutes Central Time being about 6 hours different.
comments:



Anonymous said...


PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT I HAVE NOT AUTHORISED OR ENCOURAGED THIS WEBSITE IN ANY WAY. THE SITE WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY MY EX'HUSBANDS LAWYERS MORTON FRASER, EDINBURGH THAT PUT MY CHILDREN AT RISK TO THAT END I FORMALLY REQUEST THAT YOU REMOVE THIS BLOG. IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO DO THIS I INSIST THAT YOU REMOVE ALL REFERENCE TO MY CHILDREN


10 March 2010 00:44

10 March 2010 00:56
Please be advised that if I establish the message to be genuine I WILL act to remove her children's names from the blogs.
 
In the mean time perhaps it may entertain the readers to note that not only is Hamish Grossart a member of The Specilative Society of Edinburgh and thus most clearly likely to be also a Mason both secretive organisations which are based upon much of the symbolism of Satanism and for that reason we would ask:
 
FIRSTLY: Why was some £2.6 million of public monet squandered on reformatting St. Andrew Square based undeniably on the Satanic symbolism of The All Seeing Eye.
 
SECONDLY: Are we to believe that Hamish Grossart's near onsessive attachment to Pitlour innocent of the fact that Pitlour House has a long and vile history of association with evil and the practices of Satanism - its cellars being a matter of record.
 
Is this a fit home to deliver a young 9 year old child to or her elder brother - I make no judgement on Plumb frequently up the duff's children as that is a matter for their Father since in Scotlands largely Masonic and misogynistic Courts their Mother is unlikely to meet with even the respect she may deserve.
 
May I suggest that whilst we await the outcome of my checks Hamish Grossart does what he is best at when it comes to anyone's interests but his own:
Hamish Grossart assuming his
Naturally Narcisitic Self Worshipping
Crano Rectally Retentive
position of worship.


SPECulative Society of Edinburgh Member

IndigoVision
Non-Executive Chairman joined the board as chairman in 1996.
Cairn Energy PLC
currently also non-executive deputy chairman
Cairn India Limited
a non-executive director Member and Chairman of the Audit, Remuneration, Nomination & Corporate Governance Committees

British Polythene Industries PLC
Deputy Chairman
Artemis Investment Management Limited
a non-executive director

PAST ACHIEVEMENTS!!
Quality Care Homes
Scottish Radio Holdings
Digital Bridges
Barker & Dobson - (Drayton Consolidated Trust) - Alma Holdings
Royal Doulton
Eclipse Blinds
Scottish Highland Hotels
Hicking Pentecost
EFT Group

He has over 20 years' experience on public company boards, in a wide range of industries,

both in an executive and non-executive capacity, frequently with catastrophic consequences.

He has left:
a long trail of broken lives, betrayed staff, colleagues and women,

who have suffered from his emotional inadequacies and lack of maturity.

A weak and bullying individual,
who brings shame and unhappiness to his children,

and those who misguidedly cared for him, as he sets out to prove his worth to himself.

Always acting egocentrically at the expense of those he can bully, exploit and control.
An emotional Narcissist & a manipulative sociopath.

Saturday, 12 December 2009

Hamish GROSSART HAS GENDER REASSIGNMENT by The SCOTSMAN!!

A well known comentator and protagonist in maters of seeking Justice rather than suitable outcomes, in the Scottish Courts said of yesterdays verdict in the Scottish Courts:

'Is The Spec losing their grip?'

'In an astounding development Edinburgh's secret legal illuminati, The Speculative Society, saw one of their more high-profile Members, merchant Banker Hamish Grossart, publicly shafted by Mr. McReadie, a mere Sheriff, at Perth'.

'Also in the same Courts Michael Fletcher may too have curtailed his prospects of ever being elevated to the rank of Senator of the College of Justice, the jocular name for the High Court Judges in Scotland who have presided over such travesties as Piper Alpha, Dunblane, Lockerbie, Shirley McKie, Skye Tolls and other gross miscarriages of justice, but let us hail a decent person in the judicial ranks at last'!

For details of the secretive and seemingly malign Speculative Society of Edinburgh, of which Sir Angus Grossart and his considerably less successful nephew Hamish Grossart are both members with some of the most 'dubious' characters in legal and banking circles in Scotland - and for a membership list with certain details and apparent links with Satanism as with the layout of St. Andrew Square, one of the most prestigious addresses in Scottish business circles, home of the failed Royal Bank of Scotland of which Sir Angus Grossart was a director, the bank has had to be subsidised by British tax payer to stay afloat.

For details & Membership of The Spec. CLICK HERE

There are those who question why the likes of Sir Angus Grossart are still seen as doyens of banking, having presided over such a debacle and why tax payers are expected to bail out the bank whilst he still boasts of the £90 Million he made in the good years!

'I never bugged his phone' –
banker Elaine Grossart's ex-wife sets record straight after court win


Date: 12 December 2009

By: Christopher Mackie

SHE is the former wife of a multi-millionaire banking tycoon, caught up in an acrimonious two-year divorce that has seen allegations of bullying, deceit and covert surveillance.
• Elaine Grossart won a £2.3m divorce settlement last year from
her former tycoon husband Hamish Grossart.
Picture: Phil Wilkinson

And yesterday, the tale of Elaine Grossart took a further twist as she was awarded substantial costs after a bitter court battle.

She then went on to issue a strenuous denial that she had ever bugged the phone of her former husband, Hamish Grossart – a member of one of Scotland's most prominent banking dynasties.

Her comments mark the latest instalment in the story of her marriage to, and divorce from, the nephew of Sir Angus Grossart, the founder of the Noble Grossart merchant bank and one of Scotland's most influential business figures.

At Perth Sheriff Court yesterday, Sheriff Michael Fletcher granted Mrs Grossart expenses believed to total more than £20,000.

At a hearing earlier this year, the sheriff threw out a civil case brought by accountant Andrew Hamilton, who claimed she owed him £7,931 in professional fees.

Mr Hamilton – a former friend of Mrs Grossart and principal of Edinburgh-based chartered accountant Andrew Hamilton & Co – said the money was due for advice during divorce proceedings that saw her land a £2.3 million deal in 2008.

She denied Mr Hamilton had acted as a "professional expert" and said any advice offered to her had been on an informal, friendly basis, without any contract being in place.

Despite claiming she was his client, the court heard Mr Hamilton admit he had failed to carry out proper money-laundering checks on Mrs Grossart – something he said was overlooked because she was "distressed" and "emotional".

Mrs Grossart, 52, told the court Mr Hamilton had been a part of her "Fife set", to which she had turned to discuss her former husband's "bad behaviour".

She claimed Hamish Grossart was a bully, who subjected her to "physical and sexual assault" and stopped her from dancing with other men at functions.

She also accused him of ordering her hair to be cut in a certain way.

Eventually, Mr Hamilton's case was dismissed, with Sheriff Fletcher dubbing him a "Bertie Wooster" character, likening him to the upper-class, but unreliable PG Wodehouse hero.

In reports of the hearings, Mrs Grossart was accused of hiring a private investigator to bug her husband's phone at Pitlour Estate in Perthshire, fearing he was hiding millions of pounds from her following their 11-year marriage. But speaking after her court appearance yesterday, she strenuously denied ever spying on her former husband.

"I did not bug my husband's phone, and I am not sure who planted this," she told The Scotsman.

"If that was the case, I would be in chains myself. It is a criminal offence to bug a phone, and I wouldn't even know where to start.

"You have to have possession of the phone to do it in the first place. I have never bugged his phone – it is a total travesty. If I had been known to tap the phone, I would have been dealt with very severely.

It is a complete untruth."

She added: "I want to set the record straight. I haven't done so in the past, because I have had more important things to do. It has been wrongly referred to in the press all through the case – the judgment is there and can prove that."

Mrs Grossart, who now plans to concentrate on her charity work, said the experience had been "emotional".

"I have got my expenses and I am delighted with the outcome," she said. "I am very relieved. I am at the end of a very long and hard road, and I am glad it is behind me and I can concentrate on what is important to me – being a mum and all the other things I am involved with."

Mr Hamilton described yesterday's sheriff court ruling as "very unfortunate". The exact figure due to Mrs Grossart will now be determined by an audit of the expenses she incurred during the process.

Hamish Grossart could not be contacted for comment.

To view the original article CLICK HERE
Hamish McLeod GROSSART52 born 07-Apr-1957


SPECulative Society of Edinburgh Member

IndigoVision
Non-Executive Chairman joined the board as chairman in 1996.
Cairn Energy PLC
currently also non-executive deputy chairman
Cairn India Limited
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He has over 20 years' experience on public company boards, in a wide range of industries,
both in an executive and non-executive capacity, frequently with catastrophic consequences.

He has left:
a long trail of broken lives, betrayed staff, colleagues and women,
who have suffered from his emotional inadequacies and lack of maturity.

A weak and bullying individual,
who brings shame and unhappiness to his children,
and those who misguidedly cared for him, as he sets out to prove his worth to himself.

Always acting egocentrically at the expense of those he can bully, exploit and control.
An emotional Narcissist & a manipulative sociopath.

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NARCISSISTS TRAITS DISCUSSED

Almost everyone has some narcissistic traits, but being conceited, argumentative, or selfish sometimes (or even all the time) doesn't amount to a personality disorder.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a long-term pattern of abnormal thinking, feeling, and behavior in many different situations. The traits on this page will seem peculiar or disturbing when someone acts this way -- i.e., you will know that something is not right, and contact with narcissists may make you feel bad about yourself. It's not unusual for narcissists to be outstanding in their field of work. But these are the successful people who have a history of alienating colleagues, co-workers, employees, students, clients, and customers -- people go away mad or sad after close contact with narcissists.

How many narcissists does it take to change a light bulb?
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(a) Just one -- but he has to wait for the whole world to revolve around him.
(b) None at all -- he hires menials for work that's beneath him.
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This is a compilation of observations I've made from various people I've known well for many years. Most of these traits apply to all of the narcissists I've known, but that doesn't mean that they'll all apply to the narcissists you know. My narcissists are all high-functioning -- that is, they've maintained gainful employment, marriages and family life -- and there may certainly be narcissistic traits that I haven't observed among the narcissists I've known. You can go directly to my full commentary on narcissists' traits or you can select what you're most interested in from the pink box below.

Narcissicism is a personality disorder and that means that narcissists' personalities aren't organized in a way that makes sense to most people, so the notes below do not necessarily go in the order I've listed them or in any order at all. Interaction with narcissists is confusing, even bewildering -- their reasons for what they do are not the same as normal reasons. In fact, treating them like normal people (e.g., appealing to their better nature, as in "Please have a heart," or giving them the chance to apologize and make amends) will make matters worse with a narcissist.

[For general discussion of cognition, affectivity, interpersonal functioning, and impulse control in personality disorders and NPD. It's also interesting to compare these traits below with characteristics of normal six-year-olds.]

amoral/conscienceless
authoritarian
care only about appearances
contemptuous
critical of others
cruel
disappointing gift-givers
don't recognize own feelings
envious and competitive
feel entitled
flirtatious or seductive
grandiose
hard to have a good time with
hate to live alone
hyper-sensitive to criticism
impulsive
lack sense of humor
naive
passive
pessimistic
religious
secretive
self-contradictory
stingy
strange work habits
unusual eating habits
weird sense of time

Each of the above is dealt with below!

The most telling thing that narcissists do is contradict themselves.
They will do this virtually in the same sentence, without even stopping to take a breath.
It can be trivial (e.g., about what they want for lunch) or it can be serious (e.g., about whether or not they love you).

When you ask them which one they mean, they'll deny ever saying the first one, though it may literally have been only seconds since they said it -- really, how could you think they'd ever have said that?

You need to have your head examined!

They will contradict FACTS.
They will lie to you about things that you did together.
They will misquote you to yourself.
If you disagree with them, they'll say you're lying, making stuff up, or are crazy.
 [At this point, if you're like me, you sort of panic and want to talk to anyone who will listen about what is going on: this is a healthy reaction; it's a reality check ("who's the crazy one here?"); that you're confused by the narcissist's contrariness, that you turn to another person to help you keep your bearings, that you know something is seriously wrong and worry that it might be you are all signs that you are not a narcissist].

NOTE: Normal people can behave irrationally under emotional stress -- be confused, deny things they know, get sort of paranoid, want to be babied when they're in pain.
But normal people recover pretty much within an hour or two or a day or two, and, with normal people, your expressions of love and concern for their welfare will be taken to heart.
They will be stabilized by your emotional and moral support.
Not so with narcissists -- the surest way I know of to get a crushing blow to your heart is to tell a narcissist you love her or him.
They will respond with a nasty power move, such as telling you to do things entirely their way or else be banished from them for ever. ^
If you're like me, you get into disputes with narcissists over their casual dishonesty and cruelty to other people.
Trying to reform narcissists by reasoning with them or by appealing to their better nature is about as effective as spitting in the ocean.
What you see is what you get: they have no better nature.
The fundamental problem here is that narcissists lack empathy.

Lacking empathy is a profound disturbance to the narcissist's thinking (cognition) and feeling (affectivity).
Even when very intelligent, narcissists can't reason well.
One I've worked with closely does something I characterize as "analysis by eggbeater."
They don't understand the meaning of what people say and they don't grasp the meaning of the written word either -- because so much of the meaning of anything we say depends on context and affect, narcissists (lacking empathy and thus lacking both context and affect) hear only the words.
(Discussions with narcissists can be really weird and disconcerting; they seem to think that using some of the same words means that they are following a line of conversation or reasoning.
Thus, they will go off on tangents and irrelevancies, apparently in the blithe delusion that they understand what others are talking about.)
And, frankly, they don't hear all the words, either.
They can pay attention only to stuff that has them in it.
This is not merely a bad habit -- it's a cognitive deficiency.

Narcissists pay attention only to themselves and stuff that affects them personally.
However, since they don't know what other people are doing, narcissists can't judge what will affect them personally and seem never to learn that when they cause trouble they will get trouble back.
They won't take other people's feelings into consideration and so they overlook the fact that other people will react with feeling when abused or exploited and that most people get really pissed off by being lied to or lied about.
^
Narcissists lack a mature conscience and seem to be restrained only by fear of being punished or of damaging their reputations -- though, again, this can be obscure to casual observation if you don't know what they think their reputations are, and what they believe others think of them may be way out of touch with reality [see remarks on John Cheever elsewhere on this page].

Their moral intelligence is about at the level of a bright five- or six-year-old; the only rules they recognize are things that have been specifically required, permitted, prohibited, or disapproved of by authority figures they know personally.

Anyhow, narcissists can't be counted on not to do something just because it's wrong, illegal, or will hurt someone, as long as they think that they can get away with it or that you can't stop them or punish them (i.e., they don't care what you think unless they're afraid of you).
 ^
Narcissists are envious and competitive in ways that are hard to understand.

For instance, one I knew once became incensed over an article published in a national magazine -- not for its content exactly, but because she could have written something just as good.

Maybe she could have -- she hadn't, but that little lapse on her part was beside the point to her.

They are constantly comparing themselves (and whatever they feel belongs to them, such as their children and furniture) to other people. Narcissists feel that, unless they are better than anyone else, they are worse than everybody in the whole world.
^
Narcissists are generally contemptuous of others.
This seems to spring, at base, from their general lack of empathy, and it comes out as (at best) a dismissive attitude towards other people's feelings, wishes, needs, concerns, standards, property, work, etc. It is also connected to their overall negative outlook on life.
 ^
Narcissists are
(a) extremely sensitive to personal criticism and
(b) extremely critical of other people.
They think that they must be seen as perfect or superior or infallible, next to god-like (if not actually divine, then sitting on the right hand of God) -- or else they are worthless.
There's no middle ground of ordinary normal humanity for narcissists.
They can't tolerate the least disagreement.
In fact, if you say, "Please don't do that again -- it hurts," narcissists will turn around and do it again harder to prove that they were right the first time; their reasoning seems to be something like "I am a good person and can do no wrong; therefore, I didn't hurt you and you are lying about it now..." -- sorry, folks, I get lost after that.

Anyhow, narcissists are habitually cruel in little ways, as well as big ones, because they're paying attention to their fantasy and not to you, but the bruises on you are REAL, not in your imagination.

Thus, no matter how gently you suggest that they might do better to change their ways or get some help, they will react in one of two equally horrible ways: they will attack or they will withdraw.
Be wary of wandering into this dragon's cave -- narcissists will say ANYTHING, they will trash anyone in their own self-justification, and then they will expect the immediate restoration of the status quo.

They will attack you (sometimes physically) and spew a load of bile, insult, abuse, contempt, threats, etc., and then -- well, it's kind of like they had indigestion and the vicious tirade worked like a burp: "There. Now I feel better. Where were we?"
They feel better, so they expect you to feel better, too.
They will say you are nothing, worthless, and turn around immediately and say that they love you. When you object to this kind of treatment, they will say,
"You just have to accept me the way I am. (God made me this way, so God loves me even if you are too stupid to understand how special I am.)" Accepting them as they are (and staying away from them entirely) is excellent advice.

The other "punishment" narcissists mete out is banishing you from their glorious presence -- this can turn into a farce, since by this point you are probably praying to be rescued, "Dear God! How do I get out of this?"
The narcissist expects that you will be devastated by the withdrawal of her/his divine attention, so that after a while -- a few weeks or months (i.e., the next time the narcissist needs to use you for something) -- the narcissist will expect you to have learned your lesson and be eager to return to the fold.

If you have learned your lesson, you won't answer that call.

They can't see that they have a problem; it's always somebody else who has the problem and needs to change.
Therapies work at all only when the individual wants to change and, though narcissists hate their real selves, they don't want to change -- they want the world to change.
And they criticize, gripe, and complain about almost everything and almost everyone almost all the time.

There are usually a favored few whom narcissists regard as absolutely above reproach, even for egregious misconduct or actual crime, and about whom they won't brook the slightest criticism.
These are people the narcissists are terrified of, though they'll tell you that what they feel is love and respect; apparently they don't know the difference between fear and love.

Narcissists just get worse and worse as they grow older; their parents and other authority figures that they've feared die off, and there's less and less outside influence to keep them in check.
^
Narcissists are hostile and ferocious in reaction, but they are generally passive and lacking in initiative.
They don't start stuff -- they don't reach out.

Remember this when they turn and rend you! They will complain about the same things for years on end, but only rarely do anything to change what dissatisfies them so badly.
^
Narcissists are naive and vulnerable, pathetic really, no matter how arrogant and forceful their words or demeanor.

They have pretty good reasons for their paranoia and cynicism, their sneakiness, evasiveness, prevarications.

This is the one I get suckered on.

They are so out of touch with other people and what goes on around them that they are very susceptible to exploitation.
On the other hand, they're so inattentive, and so disconnected from what other people are up to, that they don't recognize when someone is taking advantage of them.
 ^
Narcissists are grandiose.
They live in an artificial self invented from fantasies of absolute or perfect power, genius, beauty, etc.

Normal people's fantasies of themselves, their wishful thinking, take the form of stories -- these stories often come from movies or TV, or from things they've read or that were read to them as children.

They involve a plot, heroic activity or great accomplishments or adventure: normal people see themselves in action, however preposterous or even impossible that action may be -- they see themselves doing things that earn them honor, glory, love, riches, fame, and they see these fantasy selves as personal potentials, however tenuous, something they'd do if they didn't have to go to school or go to work, if they had the time and the money.

As Freud said of narcissists, these people act like they're in love with themselves.
And they are in love with an ideal image of themselves -- or they want you to be in love with their pretend self, it's hard to tell just what's going on.
Like anyone in love, their attention and energy are drawn to the beloved and away from everyday practicalities.
Narcissists' fantasies are static -- they've fallen in love with an image in a mirror or, more accurately, in a pool of water, so that movement causes the image to dissolve into ripples; to see the adored reflection they must remain perfectly still.
Narcissists' fantasies are tableaux or scenes, stage sets; narcissists are hung up on a particular picture that they think reflects their true selves (as opposed to the real self -- warts and all).

Narcissists don't see themselves doing anything except being adored, and they don't see anyone else doing anything except adoring them.
Moreover, they don't see these images as potentials that they may some day be able to live out, if they get lucky or everything goes right: they see these pictures as the real way they want to be seen right now (which is not the same as saying they think these pictures are the way they really are right now, but that is another story to be discussed elsewhere).

Sometimes narcissistic fantasies are spectacularly grandiose -- imagining themselves as Jesus or a saint or hero or deity depicted in art -- but just as often the fantasies of narcissists are mediocre and vulgar, concocted from illustrations in popular magazines, sensational novels, comic books even.
These artificial self fantasies are also static in time, going back unchanged to early adolescence or even to childhood; the narcissists' self-images don't change with time, so that you will find, for instance, female narcissists clinging to retro styles, still living the picture of the perfect woman of 1945 or 1965 as depicted in The Ladies' Home Journal or Seventeen or Vogue of that era, and male narcissists still hung up on images of comic-book or ripping adventure heroes from their youth.

Though narcissists like pictures rather than stories, they like still pictures, not moving ones, so they don't base their fantasies on movies or TV.

Grandiosity can take various forms -- a narcissistic woman may believe herself to be the very model of perfect womanhood, the standard by which all others are measured, and she will try to force her daughters to be just like her, she will not be able to cope with daughters who are taller or shorter than she is, fatter or thinner, who have bigger or smaller feet, breasts, teeth, who have different favorite colors than hers, etc.

Narcissistic men can be infatuated with their own looks, too, (witness John Cheever, for instance; Almost Perfect) but are more likely than women to get hung up on their intelligence or the importance of their work -- doesn't matter what the work is, if he's doing it, by definition it's more important than anything you could possibly do.

Narcissists I've known also have odd religious ideas, in particular believing that they are God's special favorites somehow; God loves them, so they are exempted from ordinary rules and obligations: God loves them and wants them to be the way they are, so they can do anything they feel like -- though, note, the narcissist's God has much harsher rules for everyone else, including you.
[Many readers have questions about narcissism and religion.

Here is an interesting article on the Web: "Narcissism Goes to Church: Encountering Evangelical Worship" by Monte Wilson. "Modern American Christianity is filled with the spirit of narcissism.

We are in love with ourselves and evaluate churches, ministers and truth-claims based upon how they make us feel about ourselves. If the church makes me feel wanted, it is a good church. If the minister makes me feel good about myself, he is a terrific guy. If the proffered truth supports my self-esteem, it is, thereby, verified."]

 [More on grandiosity.]

Narcissists have little sense of humor.
They don't get jokes, not even the funny papers or simple riddles, and they don't make jokes, except for sarcastic cracks and the lamest puns.
This is because, lacking empathy, they don't get the context and affect of words or actions, and jokes, humor, comedy depend entirely on context and affect.
They specialize in sarcasm about others and mistake it for wit, but, in my experience, narcissists are entirely incapable of irony -- thus, I've been chagrinned more than once to discover that something I'd taken as an intentional pose or humorous put-on was, in fact, something the narcissist was totally serious about.
Which is to say that they come mighty close to parody in their pretensions and pretending, so that they can be very funny without knowing it, but you'd better not let on that you think so.

[Interestingly, this is the only trait on this list about which there seems to be any controversy. Maybe I've just been unlucky! I've known narcissists who'll make fun of others, repeat jokes they've heard others laugh at, and laugh at jokes when others laugh, but knowing how to make people laugh is not necessarily the same as having a sense of humor.]
^
Narcissists have a weird sense of time.
It's more or less like they are not aware that the passage of time changes things, or maybe they just aren't aware of time's passing at all.
Years can pass without touching narcissists.
Narcissists often look, or think they look, significantly younger than they are; this youthful appearance is a point of pride to them, and some will emphasize it by either preserving the styles of their golden youth or following the styles of people the age they feel they "really" are.

That their faces don't show their chronological age is a good sign that they haven't been living real lives with real life's wear and tear on the looks of normal people.
The narcissists' years have passed without touching them. Bear in mind that narcissistic adults have had decades of not being in synch with the times or with other people, so that by now they are really out of it.

Sometimes it just seems like they have a highly selective memory -- which, of course, they do, sort of; they pay attention only to what has their name in it in the first place, so after 30 or 40 years, you shouldn't be surprised to hear a narcissist say something like, "Didn't the Beatles have a couple of hit songs while we were in high school?" or to suddenly discover that the narcissist doesn't know that M&M's have little m's on them or that smallpox was eradicated over 20 years ago. They are not being ironic: they really don't know.

They were off in their own little world of fantastic perfection. On the other hand, as far as I've seen, all that stuff really is in there, but is accessible only intermittently or unpredictably. Narcissists ordinarily have spotty memories, with huge and odd gaps in their recollections; they may say that they don't remember their childhoods, etc., and apparently most of the time they don't.


But they will have sudden accesses of memory, triggered by God knows what, when they remember details, everybody's names, what people were wearing, why the people in that picture from 1950 are standing the way they are, what the weather was like, etc. -- in other words, every once in a while, their memories will be normal. But don't count on it. ^
Narcissists are totally and inflexibly authoritarian. In other words, they are suck-ups.
They want to be authority figures and, short of that, they want to be associated with authority figures.
In their hearts, they know they can't think well, have no judgment about what matters, are not connected with the world they inhabit, so they cling fanatically to the opinions of people they regard as authority figures -- such as their parents, teachers, doctors, ministers.
Where relevant, this may include scientists or professors or artists, but narcissists stick to people they know personally, since they aren't engaged enough with the world to get their authoritative opinions from TV, movies, books or dead geniuses/saints/heroes.

If they get in trouble over some or another opinion they've put forth, they'll blame the source -- "It was okay with Dr. Somebody," "My father taught me that," etc.
If you're still thinking of the narcissist as odd-but-normal, this shirking of responsibility will seem dishonest and craven -- well, it is but it's really an admission of weakness: they really mean it: they said what they said because someone they admire or fear said it and they're trying to borrow that person's strength.
^
Narcissists have strange work habits.
Normal people work for a goal or a product, even if the goal is only a paycheck.
Normal people measure things by how much they have to spend (in time, work, energy) to get the desired results.
Normal people desire idleness from time to time, usually wanting as much free time as they can get to pursue their own thoughts and pleasures and interests.
Narcissists work for a goal, too, but it's a different goal: they want power, authority, adulation.
Lacking empathy, and lacking also context and affect, narcissists don't understand how people achieve glory and high standing; they think it's all arbitrary, it's all appearances, it's all who you know.

So they try to attach themselves to people who already have what they want, meanwhile making a great show of working hard. Narcissists can put in a shocking amount of time to very little effect.

This is partly because they have so little empathy that they don't know why some work is valued more highly than other work, why some people's opinions carry more weight than others'.
They do know that you're supposed to work and not be lazy, so they keep themselves occupied.
But they are not invested in the work they do -- whatever they may produce is just something they have to do to get the admiration and power they crave.
Since this is so, they really don't pay attention to what they're doing, preferring the easiest thing at every turn, even though they may be constantly occupied, so that narcissists manage to be workaholics and extremely lazy at the same time.

Narcissists measure the worth of their work only by how much time they spend on it, not by what they produce. They want to get an A for Effort.
Narcissists lack empathy, so they don't know what others value or why.
Narcissists tend to value things in quantitative ways and in odd quantities at that -- they'll tell you how many inches of letters they received, but not how many letters or from how many correspondents; they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

A narcissist may, in fact, hold himself to a grinding work schedule that gives him something like an addictive high so that, when wrought up, he can be sort of dazed, giddy, and groggy, making you wonder if he's drunk or otherwise intoxicated -- now, that's a real workaholic.

Usually, this excessive busyness appears to be -- and some will even tell you this -- an attempt to distract themselves from unpleasant or inconvenient feelings (i.e., it's a manic defense against depression -- and, note, with narcissists it's inaccurate to use "happy" or "unhappy" because their feelings are just not that differentiated; "euphoria" or "dysphoria" are as close as they get to ordinary pleasure or distress) or to make themselves unavailable to others' emotional needs.
^
Narcissists feel entitled to whatever they can take.
They expect privileges and indulgences, and they also feel entitled to exploit other people without any trace of reciprocation. ^
Some narcissists spend extravagantly in order to impress people, keep up grandiose pretentions, or buy favorable treatment, and some narcissists overspend, bankrupt themselves, and lose everything.
My personal experience is that narcissists are stingy, mean, frugal, niggardly to the point of eccentricity.
This is a person who won't spend $1.50 on a greeting card but will instead send you an advertising flyer that came with the newspaper.

This is a person who will be very conscious of her appearance but will dress herself and her children in used clothes and other people's cast-offs.
[Note: Thrift is not in itself a narcissistic trait; neither is a fondness for old clothes.
The important element here is that the narcissist buys clothes that other people she admires and wishes to emulate have already picked out, since she has no individual tastes or preferences.]
These are people who need labels or trademarks (or other signs of authority) to distinguish between the real thing and a cheap knock-off or imitation, and so will substitute something easy and cheap for something precious and dear and expect nobody else to know the difference, since they can't.
These are people who can tell you how many miles but not how many smiles.
Narcissists are not only selfish and ungiving -- they seem to have to make a point of not giving what they know someone else wants.
Thus, for instance, in a "romantic" relationship, they will want you to do what they want because they want it and not because you want it -- and, in fact, if you actually want to do what they want, then that's too much like sharing and you wreck their fun and they don't want it anymore.
They want to get what they want from you without giving you what you want from them. Period. If you should happen to want to give what they want to get, then they'll lose interest in you.
^
Something I had not connected with narcissism until I read about Reactive Attachment Disorder is that narcissists I've known have had unusual eating habits or appetites, including eating match heads, dry cake mix, chicken bones, raw meat, dog kibble, egg mash, bits of paper, wood pencils; some binge or gorge on ordinary foods, others seem always to be on one or another self-imposed, self-invented eccentric dietary regime.

This behavior does not seem to have much in the way of affective component compared to, say, "normal" eating disorders. ^

Narcissists are very disappointing as gift-givers.
This is not a trivial consideration in personal relationships.
I've seen narcissistic people sweetly solicit someone's preferences ("Go ahead -- tell me what you really want"), make a show of paying attention to the answer ("Don't you think I'm nice?"), and then deliver something other than what was asked for -- and feel abused and unappreciated when someone else gets gratitude for fulfilling the very request that the narcissist evoked in the first place.
I've seen this happen often, where narcissists will go out of their way to stir up other people's expectations and then go out of their way to disappoint those expectations.
It seems like a lot of pointless work to me.
First, narcissists lack empathy, so they don't know what you want or like and, evidently, they don't care either; second, they think their opinions are better and more important than anyone else's, so they'll give you what they think you ought to want, regardless of what you may have said when asked what you wanted for your birthday; third, they're stingy and will give as gifts stuff that's just lying around their house, such as possessions that they no longer have any use for, or -- in really choice instances -- return to you something that was yours in the first place.
In fact, as a practical matter, the surest way NOT to get what you want from a narcissist is to ask for it; your chances are better if you just keep quiet, because every now and then the narcissist will hit on the right thing by random accident.
^
It's very hard to have a simple, uncomplicated good time with a narcissist.
Except for odd spells of heady euphoria unrelated to anything you can see, their affective range is mediocre-fake-normal to hell-on-Earth.
They will sometimes lie low and be quiet, actually passive and dependent -- this is as good as it gets with narcissists.
They are incapable of loving conduct towards anyone or anything, so they do not have the capacity for simple pleasure, beyond the satisfaction of bodily needs.
There is only one way to please a narcissist (and it won't please you): that is to indulge their every whim, cater to their tiniest impulses, bend to their views on every little thing.

There's only one way to get decent treatment from narcissists: keep your distance.
They can be pretty nice, even charming, flirtatious, and seductive, to strangers, and will flatter you shamelessly if they want something from you.
When you attempt to get close to them in a normal way, they feel you are putting emotional pressure on them and they withdraw because you're too demanding.
They can be positively fawning and solicitous as long as they're afraid of you, which is not most people's idea of a real fun relationship.

I always have the problem that I get fed up and stay away from THEM long enough to forget exactly what the trouble was, then they come around again, and every narcissist I've known actually was quite lovable about half the time so I try it again.

A clue: Run for cover when they start acting normal, maybe expressing a becoming self-doubt or even acknowledging some little fault of their own, such as saying they now realize that they haven't treated you right or that they took advantage of you before.

They're just softening you up for something really nasty.

These people are geniuses of "Come closer so I can slap you."

Except that's not the way they think about it, if they think about it -- no, they're thinking, "Well, maybe you do really care about me, and, if you really care about me, then maybe you'll help me with this," only by "help" they mean do the whole thing, take total responsibility for it, including protecting and defending them and cleaning up the mess they've already made of it (which they will neglect to fill you in on because they haven't really been paying attention, have they, so how would they know??).

They will not have considered for one second how much of your time it will take, how much trouble it may get you into in their behalf, that they will owe you BIG for this -- no, you're just going to do it all out of the goodness of your heart, which they are delighted to exploit yet again, and your virtue will be its own reward: it's supposed to just tickle you pink to be offered this generous opportunity of showing how much you love them and/or how lucky you are to be the servant of such a luminous personage.

No lie -- they think other people do stuff for the same reason they do: to show off, to perform for an audience.
That's one of the reasons they make outrageous demands, put you on the spot and create scenes in public: they're being generous -- they're trying to share the spotlight with you by giving you the chance to show off how absolutely stunningly devoted-to-them you are.
It means that they love you; that's why they're hurt and bewildered when you angrily reject this invitation.
^
Appearances are all there is with narcissists -- and their self-hatred knows no bounds.
The most dramatic example I can think of is from John Cheever's journals.
Throughout his life he had pursued surreptitious homosexual activities, being transiently infatuated with young men who reminded him of himself in his youth, while also living in a superficially settled way as a married family man, a respected writer with an enviable suburban life, breeding pedigreed dogs and serving on the vestry of the Episcopal church.

When his secret life (going to New York City for a few days every now and then to pick up sailors and other beautiful boys for brief flings) came to scandalous light, his family sought to reassure him by telling him that they'd known about his homosexual activities for years.
Now, a normal person would be ashamed and embarrassed but also relieved and grateful that scandal, not to mention chronic emotional and marital infidelity, had not caused his wife and children to reject and abandon him -- but not the narcissist!

Oh, no, Cheever was enraged that they would ever have thought such a thing of him -- if they really loved him, they'd have bought his artificial "country squire" persona: they would have seen him as he wished to be seen: they would have believed his lies without question or doubt.
^
Narcissists don't volunteer the usual personal information about themselves, so they may seem secretive or perhaps unusually reserved or very jealous of their privacy.

All these things are true, but with the special narcissistic twist that, first, their real life isn't interesting to them so it doesn't occur to them that it would be interesting to anyone else and, second, since they have not yet been transfigured into the Star of the Universe, they're ashamed of their real life.
They feel that their jobs, their friends and families, their homes and possessions aren't good enough for them, they deserve better.
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Narcissists not only don't recognize the feelings and autonomy of others, they don't recognize their own feelings as their own.
Their feelings are sort of like the weather, atmospheric, acts of God.
The narcissistic think that everyone's having the same feeling as they are.
This means that usually their own pain means nothing to them beyond the physical discomfort -- it has no affective component.
When they do get some painful affect, they think that God is punishing them -- they think that their trivial errors are worth God's specific attention to their punishment.
If you try to straighten them out, by telling them that your feelings are different, beware: their idea of sharing their feelings is to do or say something that makes you feel the way they're feeling and, as they make a point of not sharing anything desirable, you can expect something really nasty.
The sad fact seems to be that narcissists feel just as bad about themselves as they make others feel about them. ^
Narcissists are noted for their negative, pessimistic, cynical, or gloomy outlook on life.
Sarcasm seems to be a narcissistic specialty, not to mention spite.
Lacking love and pleasure, they don't have a good reason for anything they do and they think everyone else is just like them, except they're honest and the rest of us are hypocrites. Nothing real is ever perfect enough to satisfy them, so are they are constantly complaining and criticizing -- to the point of verbal abuse and insult. ^

Narcissists are impulsive.
They undo themselves by behavior that seems oddly stupid for people as intelligent as they are.
Somehow, they don't consider the probable consequences of their actions.
It's not clear to me whether they just expect to get away with doing anything they feel like at the moment or whether this impulsiveness is essentially a cognitive shortcoming deriving from the static psychic state with its distorted perception of time. ^

Narcissists hate to live alone.
Their inner resources are skimpy, static, and sterile, nothing interesting or attractive going on in their hearts and minds, so they don't want to be stuck with themselves.
All they have inside is the image of perfection that, being mere mortals like the rest of us, they will inevitably fall short of attaining. ^

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Hamish McLeod GROSSART52 born 07-Apr-1957

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Cairn Energy PLC
currently also non-executive deputy chairman
Cairn India Limited
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British Polythene Industries PLC
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He has over 20 years' experience on public company boards, in a wide range of industries,

both in an executive and non-executive capacity, frequently with catastrophic consequences.

He has left:
a long trail of broken lives, betrayed staff, colleagues and women,
who have suffered from his emotional inadequacies and lack of maturity.

A weak and bullying individual, who brings shame and unhappiness to his children,

and those who misguidedly cared for him, as he sets out to prove his worth to himself.
Always acting egocentrically at the expense of those he can bully, exploit and control.
An emotional Narcissist & a manipulative sociopath.
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